WM-E11 You Ate What?

00:00 INTRO: You are listening to episode 11 of Weekly Madness. The show was recorded on Sunday, November 25th, and was published on Wednesday, November 28th. The episode is approximately 50 minutes long.




01:24 Mike: Hey, this is Mike.


01:24 Aaron: Hey, this is Aaron.


01:26 Nora: And this is Nora.


01:29 Mike: And you're listening to Weekly Madness. And we want to... Before we start the show off today, say congratulations to Christina Kim and KimBookjunkie from Facebook. They were the winners of the Amazon gift card, so they both got $25 Amazon gift cards on Black Friday to do some of their shopping. We're hoping that in the future more people are able to participate from this show. We had quite a good turnout, we had about 36 participants already this time. And we'll continue to do more of those. So be sure to like us on Facebook, and follow us on Twitter and Instagram. And we'll try to do more promotions. But how was your Thanksgiving, Nora, did you have a good time meeting up with family and everything?


02:21 Nora: We did, we did have a good time, there was plenty of food and lots of kids. I sent little video snippets up to my son in Montana since he couldn't be with us. And so it was super fun. Yeah, thanks for asking. How about yours, Aaron? How was your thanksgiving?


02:40 Aaron: So I don't know if y'all remember. But last week, I talked about how I prepare for Thanksgiving, and how I eat this massive meal with the family and things like that. Well, during the week, last week we had a very close friend of mine actually passed away, and we had a funeral for them. And then after that funeral I was walking around talking to some family and friends and stuff like that, and we talked about one of my really good friends that lives in Charlotte, North Carolina. He was like, "I don't know, I'm really not looking to do the traditional Thanksgiving dinner this year." And he said, "What do you wanna do?" And I said, "I don't know."


03:20 Aaron: So there's a little place in Charlotte, North Carolina called Let's Meat. And it's a Korean barbecue place. I don't know if you know anything about Korean barbecue, but I'm about to open your mind up to a new way of eating. We went down to this place and Korean barbecue is... They basically bring out sauces and they bring out some side dishes and things like that. Then they also bring out the meat, and the meat is raw and then you have a hot plate in the middle of your table that is gas... You know, heated by gas, and then you cook your meat on that table and you add whatever sauces and stuff to it that you want to and then it's unlimited, it's "all you can eat." They just... They keep bringing you meat as long as you eat it, you got like two hours to eat as much as you possibly can. So, yeah.


04:14 Mike: So basically, they found a way to charge more for you to cook your own food.


04:19 Aaron: It's not about that, Mike. They season the beef. [laughter] They make all the side dishes.


04:24 Nora: They cook it for you, don't they, while you're sitting there?


04:27 Aaron: No, you cook it yourself.


04:28 Nora: Stop it.


04:30 Aaron: Yeah.


04:31 Nora: Wow...


04:32 Aaron: Yeah, you cook it yourself.




04:34 Mike: See, Nora, you gotta go out to eat and have to cook your food yourself. [chuckle]


04:38 Aaron: It's not about that. Did you fall down? Did you get hurt or anything? What just happened? [laughter]


04:50 Mike: She fell out of her chair with laughter. [chuckle]


04:55 Nora: [laughter] Wait, wait go back. So, you go and you were excited to do this, you knew that you were gonna have to cook and you paid them anyway?


05:08 Aaron: Yes, it's incredible. If you ever... If you ever get a chance to go you will understand why. It is like one of the best experiences.




05:17 Nora: But we have Korean barbecue here, but it is a North Carolina thing to cook your own food. [laughter]


05:26 Aaron: No, this is...


05:28 Nora: There are just... That's not the way it works.


05:30 Aaron: This is a Korean thing. And I know we talked about...


05:33 Nora: Like it's legit Korean?


05:35 Aaron: And I know this.


05:36 Nora: I'm gonna look it up, I'm gonna look it up, Aaron. Because maybe they took you for a ride.


05:45 Mike: Yeah, I mean, they're ripping him off.


05:47 Aaron: It's not, y'all are crazy.


05:50 Nora: I'm totally looking it up. Because that's just like, "What? Oh, my... " What if you get food poisoning? Are you to blame?


06:00 Aaron: I don't know how all that works.




06:03 Aaron: I mean, if you just search the word "Korean barbecue" and just hit the Google image search, you will see the hot plate in almost every single one of the pictures.


06:15 Nora: Oh, my gosh. Okay, so Aaron's correct. Because we're getting one now in Texas and San Antonio. And it's so funny. So the way they're introducing it is, "Most people go out to eat so they don't have to cook, but not at the Korean barbecue place." They're changing how things are done. So you're absolutely right.


06:41 Mike: Maybe they're just following the concept of the Pu pu platter? Because in that situation don't you cook your food too?


06:47 Aaron: I don't know.


06:48 Nora: I don't... I've never had the Pu pu platter.


06:52 Mike: Wow, I don't know what. You kind of warm your food up. I think it's already cooked but you're just re-warming it up before you eat it.


07:01 Aaron: I have no idea. But just do a quick Google search "Korean barbecue" and hit Images and you'll just see just this massive amount of food.


07:10 Nora: Did they tell you like how much spice to put or whatever, though?


07:14 Aaron: It's already seasoned meat, the meat comes out seasoned, they do all that for you.


07:19 Nora: Oh.


07:20 Aaron: Yeah.


07:21 Nora: Okay, it looks delicious. And I wish that we were doing a video podcast because people would be drooling. It looks really good. You're right.


07:33 Aaron: That was my Thanksgiving... That was my Thanksgiving lunch on Thursday. Something I've never done before and I really enjoyed it.


07:42 Mike: You know what we're all dying to hear about, though, is your Black Friday.


07:47 Nora: Oh, I know.


07:47 Mike: Festivities thing.




07:49 Nora: How many TVs? How many TVs did you buy, Aaron?


07:53 Aaron: Okay, so listen here. I had the opportunity to buy three different televisions. And now, two of them I really, really wanted. Now, I wasn't gonna buy all three of them, but two of them. They were 75 inch smart TV. One was Samsung... One was Samsung, one was... I don't remember what the other brand was. But both of them were $998. And I had every opportunity to buy that, but I changed my mind. My wife was really trying to convince me to buy a TV that we could re-arrange a little bit, because we don't have a smart TV upstairs, and I also don't have a TV in my youngest son's room. So, and I have one in my oldest son's room and we don't feel like it's fair that he has a TV and the little one don't. So we were gonna get a TV for my youngest son's room and move some things around, and I actually talked my wife out of it.


08:52 Nora: Wow.


08:53 Aaron: So, I was the reason. [chuckle] I was the reason why we didn't get a TV.


09:00 Nora: And was it as crazy as last year, or did you feel like there were less people?


09:04 Aaron: Okay, so I went out, I went out on both different times. There's two different shopping times. There is Thursday evening, and then there is Friday morning. So the Thursday evening shopping was chaotic. I mean, crazy. People, people lined up. I bet you, you've been to a normal strip mall of like Best Buy, Kohls and stuff like that, like a whole strip? If the line started at the front door it went four doors down for that store.


09:36 Nora: Wow.


09:37 Aaron: So, yeah, we're talking about almost what, two and a half blocks. If you wanna count it in streets, worth of people waiting in line for Best Buy.


09:50 Nora: That's crazy.


09:51 Aaron: So, but see, I don't wait in the lines anymore. I literally wait. I go in, like I wait 'til the last person walks in, that's in line. Then I follow right behind them. And there's... They have so many of the good deals of whatever people are trying to get. I don't go for the most popular one anymore. But the line for the PlayStation 4s were unreal. That was the biggest problem I had this year. It wasn't getting into the store and shopping for what I wanted, it was trying to get out of the store with what I wanted. For instance, Best Buy... Oh, not Best Buy. Target. Their lines weaved in and out of every single aisle from the registers all the way to the back of the store.


10:34 Nora: Wow.


10:36 Aaron: It went through every... It zig-zagged through every beauty supply, perfumes, cosmetics, the dog food section and everything else.


10:48 Mike: So... It was kind of like an IKEA set-up.


10:51 Nora: Oh, my gosh, IKEAs are crazy.


10:55 Aaron: I mean...


10:56 Mike: Because you know how they make you go through a certain path...


11:00 Aaron: Yeah.


11:00 Mike: To get to what you want.


11:01 Aaron: It was very similar, but they didn't have advertisements down that way, that was just... That's how many people just got in line, and so they had to start zig-zagging people throughout the aisles. And I picked up one item... I was walking though the store, picked up one item and I was like, "I'm gonna save about $2 on this, but I'm gonna wait probably 30 minutes in line, if not longer," so I just put it back and left and went to Best Buy.


11:29 Mike: See now, that's kind of the argument I was trying to make last week where I just didn't understand why some people just wait so long in line to get something where... These cost savings that they're going to achieve, in my opinion, may not always be worth the wait. Because if you go to wait six hours to save 20 bucks, well, is it really worth it, that much of your time to save that?


11:52 Aaron: It's all depends on what you're buying too, Mike. Some people are going for the experience. That's what me and my wife go to. We like to watch the people. It's not necessarily what the type of deals that we're getting, but we love to watch the people and how they react. And, but surprisingly, this year was the nicest people I've ever seen Black Friday shopping. Like, I ran into... A couple of years ago, I ran into somebody's back-end with my buggy, and the guy turned around and almost I thought like he's gonna pull a gun out and shoot my head off. And this time, this year, I did the same thing. I was just like, "Oh, I'm so sorry," like that, and she goes, "Oh, it's okay. It happens."


12:29 Nora: You did it just to see, didn't you?


12:31 Aaron: No no no no no...


12:31 Nora: You did it just to see what kind of reaction you were gonna get.




12:34 Aaron: No, I didn't. But you could imagine what it would be like if I did.


12:37 Nora: Oh, my gosh.


12:39 Aaron: But, no, just I didn't get the same evil people this year that I did in the past, which is the complete opposite of what we're after here with the name of the show, but...


12:54 Nora: Well, it seems like everything was open, don't you all think?


13:00 Aaron: Most...


13:01 Nora: There were more things open.


13:02 Mike: Yeah.


13:02 Aaron: Most of the big places were. Some of your smaller stores, like Shoe Carnival and stuff like that... Now, Shoe Carnival had a great deal. My wife got four pairs of shoes on Black Friday. They had women's boots for $20.


13:17 Nora: Wow.


13:17 Aaron: Pretty much any type of women's style boot that you wanted, it was $20.


13:21 Mike: But I think that's starting to get kind of maddening, though, kinda like what Nora was saying, Thanksgiving day, you have so many places open that didn't used to be open on the holiday. So you kinda start wondering when does shopping and things like that... We live in such a fast pace environment now. I don't think there's any stores that are ever really closed, except for Christmas and things like that. I think that our stores are open on more holidays now than ever used to be. I can remember a time where, even on Sunday, it used to be kind of a day of rest in the... Especially in the Southern states. And now it's becoming more and more of a... Every day of the week, people are just go, go, go type of situation there.


14:11 Aaron: Last time we talked about the death tolls on Black Friday and different things like that. Well, this week or these years that are here over the last five years, they've sort of added Thursday to the madness, because I think it decreases the people at each door-buster. So like Best Buy, they do a door-buster on Thursday and then they do the same door-buster on Friday. And so it lowers... It lessens the crowd on both days so there's less likely chances of people getting in fights and different things like that.


14:46 Mike: Did you fall down that time, Aaron?


14:48 Nora: That's what it sounded like. I fell, now he fell.




14:54 Nora: Oh, my goodness. I don't know, for me, it seemed like there are more people out and about and there was no timing to when Thanksgiving began and ended.


15:07 Mike: Yeah and I mean, I think there needs to be more quality family time these days. I think that everybody's rush, rush, rush. How many times do we really get an opportunity to just sit down to a nice home-cooked meal with the family anymore? A lot of situations where people are always eating out all the time, there's after school sports and things like that, that families don't spend the quality time together that they used to in the earlier years.


15:40 Nora: Well, Aaron went to a restaurant and cooked his own meal. So I don't know if that's flying in the face of that theory, but I hear what you're saying.


15:50 Aaron: Well, I went... First of all, there's not many restaurants open on Thanksgiving, though. Even though other businesses are opening up, restaurants tend to be one of the restaurants that close. I know McDonald's tends to stay open and some of those places, but like most restaurants are closed on Thanksgiving. The restaurant I work for closes on Thanksgiving. But that was a Korean-based company. So Thanksgiving is not something that they...


16:18 Nora: We have a number of nice restaurants that stayed open because some people don't like the whole thing about cooking anymore. And it's just like Mike was saying, I think that we're getting to a place where our... Maybe our culture thinks it's, "We gotta get in and we gotta get out," and maybe we don't wanna spend the time it takes to have to actually prepare the meal 'cause that means we're gonna have to spend more time together and we gotta get out and go do whatever. And I think that's the whole sort of sad part, I think, for me is that we don't... We don't take quality time anymore. I was thinking about that today, just like Mike brought it up and it just... I don't know, when I was a kid, I don't know if it was like this for you all, but things were... Everything was shut on Sunday except for maybe one grocery store where if you absolutely needed something, but Sundays were just to hang out and be with family, watch football or whatever.


17:20 Aaron: I mean, everything's changed, for sure. I mean, we used to be able to smoke while we grocery shop. I remember my mom put me in the buggy, I would sit in a little seat and we'd walk through the grocery store and she'd be smoking and like whenever she got done, she would literally just toss the cigarette on the floor and put it out, and then there would be somebody come by and sweep it up. That's how drastic things are different.


17:44 Nora: That's true! Like, you know what, I forgot about that. That's a really good point. That used to be a thing. You could smoke in public places, and that's true.


17:56 Aaron: So I just think things have changed just with everything. People... Some people find things that are appropriate and some people say, "Hey, that's not appropriate anymore, and let's change it."


18:06 Nora: Well, I wanna share real quick what I did, and I cooked... Well, not for Thanksgiving but for people that are vegan, is this our food segment? 'cause I wanna weigh in on that.


18:18 Aaron: We can go into that, but I do wanna touch base on something before we do. So...


18:23 Nora: Oh, please.


18:24 Aaron: I have some madness still as far as Black Friday, really quick. So I bought a new phone, okay?


18:29 Nora: What did you get?


18:30 Aaron: I got the Galaxy Note 9.


18:34 Nora: Oh, I've been wanting that. Do you love it?


18:37 Aaron: I do love the phone. I do love the phone. I have no issues with the phone itself.


18:42 Mike: So...


18:43 Aaron: At least.


18:43 Nora: Okay.


18:45 Aaron: Go ahead.


18:46 Mike: So let me ask you that when you had your issue with the phone, was that before you got the phone or after you got this phone?


18:55 Aaron: It's after I got the phone.


18:57 Mike: Okay.


18:57 Aaron: But it had nothing to do with the phone.


19:00 Mike: Right, right.


19:00 Aaron: Alright, so...


19:01 Nora: Okay.


19:01 Aaron: So here's... Here's what happens, is I go up to go, I have Verizon, I go to Verizon and I waited almost 30 minutes to be able to speak with someone to buy the phone. And then obviously, they're all about their sales pitching like, "Hey, you should get this and you should get this and you need to add this case, you need a car charger and you need a new Samsung watch," which they had a really good deal. I could have got a Samsung watch for $12 a month. But I passed up on the deal, and for Black Friday, the deal that I got was $400 off this phone which was... It's a $1,000 phone and it brought it down to $600.


19:47 Mike: Yeah, I think they were doing that for the iPhone 10 as well.


19:50 Aaron: Yeah, yeah, something very similar. So I get the phone. The next day, we're gonna go to the movies and I was just like, "Alright, let's go to the movies." So we drive up to the movie theater and we were about an hour early for the movie because my kids fell asleep in the car, and so I was sitting there, I was like, "Well, I'm gonna do some shopping on Amazon, it's still cyber weekend, cyber whatever and I was like, "I'm gonna do Amazon shopping." So I log onto my Amazon app on my new phone here and nothing's working, like nothing. I can't get it to pull up anything. I can get it to pull up the home screen bar on the app and that's it. But my wife is sitting there on her phone...


20:34 Mike: So not even the little puppies?


20:36 Aaron: So not even puppies this time but my wife is literally sitting right next to me, and she's on Amazon, and she's shopping away and I was just like, "Okay, I just got this phone, what is going on?" So I asked her, I said, "Hey, are you using the app or are you using the website?" And she's like, "Oh, I'm just using the website, I don't have the app." And I was like, "Oh, that must be it." So I go to the website and everything's moving extremely slow and I was like, "What in the world is going on? What is this?" I was like, "You know what, I've got about 45 minutes, I'm gonna call Verizon," and so I call Verizon and I talked to them. They had me do every troubleshooting thing under the sun. I'm talking about resetting my phone doing, putting it in safe mode, everything. At the end of the day, there was nothing that could get my phone. In fact, we did a factory reset and it wouldn't even connect to the network to reset my phone up. My phone was completely shot at that point, I was like, "I give up, I'm taking this phone back, they can shove it up wherever and I am done. I'm so aggravated."


21:46 Aaron: Well, it turns out that there was a network problem, Verizon had a network problem in the area which was preventing me from accessing it. It just so happened that the previous phone that we were using was actually using a different technology that... So it actually picked up on the lower end signals, like the 2G signals and things like that, which was allowing my wife to use her phone. But the faster signals that have come out, like the 5G and stuff like that, I could not access. And that's the reason why... I went a whole day without my phone pretty much because we went to an early movie that day.


22:31 Mike: You have more problems with phones than any other person I know. Every time I turn around, you're having some kind of issue with your phone.


22:37 Nora: I think that's a show, a day without a phone. We should all do it and then we can talk about our experience.


22:44 Aaron: Let's do that, let's... I can't do that, Nora, my job does not allow that. [chuckle] As soon as you said it, I was like, "Yes," and then I thought, I was like, "That's not gonna work." Now, I'll tell you what, let's do a day without text messaging or a day without social media, those two combined.


23:12 Mike: Wait a minute, wait a minute, we could do a day without a phone. We just have to pick the day of... Well, it'd be that day that we do our get together, so when we all do our Weekly Madness outing, we'll ditch our phones for the whole day, just hang out.


23:30 Aaron: As much as I love you guys, you are not the ones that I have to answer to when it comes to my job. [chuckle]


23:38 Mike: Oh, I didn't realize even on a vacation day they make you answer.


23:43 Aaron: Yeah, my company pays for my cell phone and it's the only cell phone that I have. So therefore I have to answer my phone if it rings, it doesn't matter if I'm on vacation or not, they pay for my phone.


23:55 Nora: So what if... What if we do a day without a phone, but you can answer work calls but then you have to put it away?


24:03 Aaron: That's what I was gonna say, I can turn off everything, I can put it in the, what's called, safe mode. It will disable all third-party apps. The only thing that will be available is phone calls and text messages and I'll just turn off text messaging for that day.


24:16 Nora: I think we should do it. I think that'd be interesting.


24:19 Aaron: So literally, the only thing I can do is call, answer calls, and call people, essentially.


24:24 Mike: What if we did a day without Fortnite?




24:28 Aaron: I went a day without Fortnite before, okay.


24:34 Nora: A heavy sigh.


24:35 Mike: You know, I like to tease you.


24:38 Aaron: That was what the heavy sigh was for 'cause everybody seems to care so much about me and playing Fortnite. At least I have people who care about me. [chuckle] Alright, so this food thing, what were you talking about? You said you cooked a vegan meal, right, is that what you said?


24:58 Nora: No, I don't like vegan. I am from Texas, we like meat. And so it's really funny to me, though... I've done vegan for the whole health conscious thing, but if I'm gonna make chili, it's gonna be Texas chili. And some people say Texas chili is done without beans and it's just meat, but I put beans in my chili. But what I did this time, which I was very excited about, I got applewood smoked bacon and I put bacon in the chili. You have to try it, 'cause it was amazing.


25:33 Aaron: That is so amazing 'cause I made chili, me and my wife made chili for lunch yesterday, and we had bacon, with the bacon in our chili.


25:40 Nora: Stop it, you did?


25:42 Aaron: I'm dead serious.


25:45 Nora: I thought I was special. [chuckle]


25:46 Aaron: Dead serious.


25:48 Nora: I was so excited. [chuckle]


25:50 Aaron: Another side note. I can't help it, I'm sorry. So when I was kid, my mom used to make macaroni and cheese, and she would take and cook bacon and make it really crispy and then she would crumble it up inside my macaroni and cheese and I loved it.


26:06 Nora: Oh, that sounds delicious.


26:07 Aaron: And I would eat the bacon and the macaroni, it was great. And then Velveeta came out with bacon and macaroni not even like a year later.


26:16 Nora: What?


26:17 Aaron: Yeah, my mom was so...


26:19 Nora: Like in the box?


26:20 Aaron: Yeah, yeah, it already...


26:21 Nora: Wow, she thought... And she thought like me, like she's special, she's is the only one. [chuckle] I understand her pain, yes. That's funny.


26:31 Mike: So, while we're on that topic of food, you know what maddens me is the fact that you can't always get certain food items. I'm originally from Massachusetts and there's things in North Carolina that I just can't find because, you know, they don't sell it down here.


26:48 Nora: Like what?


26:48 Mike: Well, for instance, there is a company that made something... Are you familiar with chocolate syrup you can put in your milk and have chocolate milk?


27:01 Nora: Yes.


27:01 Aaron: Oh, speaking of that, I'm gonna go make some chocolate milk, that sounds great, but go ahead.


27:06 Mike: Well, we had something up there called coffee syrup and you can put it in your milk and we had coffee milk. And I come down here and nobody knows what coffee milk he is. They were like, "What's coffee milk?" It's like an unheard of thing down here. I was like, "You never had coffee milk, it tastes amazing." So just... That's one example. And then there's even some meat products. I grew up near Fall River, Massachusetts area, and they had some Portuguese sausage called linguica and even...


27:42 Nora: What is that?


27:43 Mike: Even that's hard to find down here in North Carolina.


27:48 Aaron: Never heard of it.


27:48 Mike: They have some different types of... Yeah, that's what I mean, nobody's ever heard of it down here. But in the Portuguese community and everything, it's just like a spicy sausage and they call it linguica, and Harris Teeter carries it now and so there's certain Harris Teeters that carry it. What's that?


28:10 Aaron: Nora, do you have Harris Teeter?


28:12 Nora: We do not. [chuckle] No, you know what? So this is interesting about food because what we have predominantly in Texas, but now they're more spread out, is HEB grocery stores and they're like the conglomerate.


28:29 Aaron: Never heard of it.


28:29 Nora: They bought out everybody.


28:31 Aaron: Never heard of it.


28:32 Nora: They really did. But what's weird is, depending on what side of town, even in San Antonio where I live, if you go, for example, to the south side, that's predominantly a Hispanic culture. So it looks like, literally, you're in Little Mexico when you go in that store and they have more Hispanic products. Then you go to the north side and it's this one grocery store that you would think would... One HEB, you've seen them all, but they have their stock based on where you are, which is crazy different.


29:08 Aaron: That is pretty interesting. I know at Walmart... I do my grocery shopping at Walmart because they have taken over North Carolina. I don't know how much they've taken over in Texas, but the Walmarts and the grocery side of things, they've put so many grocery stores out of business in this area.


29:28 Nora: Wow, uh-huh.


29:30 Aaron: I used to have a Lowes Foods grocery store, I don't know if you know what that is either, we used to have Harris Teeter and now we don't, they're gone. Anyway...


29:42 Mike: I believe, didn't Amazon take over a lot of the Lowes Food stores?


29:47 Aaron: No, they took over Whole Foods, Mike. Whole Foods.


29:50 Mike: Oh, Whole Foods, that's what it was.


29:51 Nora: Yes, Whole Foods.


29:52 Aaron: Anyway, at Walmart, they have one aisle, and I would even call it a aisle, they have one shelf dedicated to non-traditional food. It might be Asian, it might be...


30:07 Nora: They call it ethnic foods, right?


30:11 Aaron: I know it... What does it say? I think our says Asian/Hispanic, I think is what it says.


30:20 Nora: How funny they try to make it like. [chuckle] We'll just name it. That's hilarious.


30:26 Aaron: I think that's what it says but... But it's only like two shelves out of the entire food section. There is like two shelves full of that. And then even on those shelves it is like Americanized items, for the stuff that's on there.


30:44 Nora: Products. Oh, my gosh.


30:50 Aaron: Now, speaking of a food that you can't get anywhere else... And I'm just... I just know that Nora maybe, maybe, I don't know, might have a different reaction to this. But I love livermush.


31:03 Nora: What?




31:04 Nora: I don't even... You don't... That's just wrong on so many... What is that? What... Oh, my God.


31:14 Mike: It's something they serve here called livermush. I had no idea what that was 'til I moved to North Carolina, and everybody was like, "Oh, have you had livermush, it's the most wonderful thing." I'm like, "What the hell is that?"


31:27 Nora: Stop it.


31:28 Aaron: So imagine like a hot dog, a hot dog is just like a lot of kinda different things just kind of compressed into one thing, right? That's what livermush is, except it's liver-based. And it comes in like this block, you can get it in different sizes. And you can slice it pretty thin. Most people like it sliced pretty thin. And then you fry it. It doesn't create its own oil, so you have to add a little oil to it, but you fry it really, really crispy, and you put it in whatever. Make a sandwich out of it, eat it by itself. It's...


32:14 Nora: What color is it?


32:15 Aaron: It's grey.




32:19 Nora: Oh, fuck.




32:22 Nora: There you go.


32:23 Mike: It sounds so plain. Does it taste as plain as it sounds?


32:27 Aaron: Have you never had it, Mike?


32:29 Mike: No, it sounds so gross.


32:31 Nora: Don't do it. Don't do it.


32:31 Mike: I don't wanna try it.


32:32 Aaron: It's so good like I promise you.


32:35 Mike: It's like mystery meat.


32:37 Aaron: I promise, if you ever...


32:38 Nora: Mystery meat.


32:39 Aaron: If you ever eat it, you will be like, "Okay, I understand, I get it now." I wish they just would have named it something else, if they just would have named it something else it would have been much better. But yeah, it's...


32:52 Nora: But it's grey, no.




32:53 Aaron: You all don't make it sound good at all.


32:58 Mike: Sounds so appetizing, doesn't it, Nora?


33:03 Nora: I am terrified.


33:04 Aaron: No, I've been to other places.


33:06 Nora: Maybe you all should do a field trip to Texas instead of me doing a field trip to North Carolina. [chuckle]


33:14 Aaron: Also, I took trip to the... So I took a trip to Florida one year. And this was probably 10 years ago, actually. And I went through the drive-through and I asked for a biscuit and gravy. Now, Nora, do you all have biscuit and gravy?


33:28 Nora: Absolutely.


33:30 Aaron: Okay, Mike, do you all have biscuit and gravy in Massachusetts?


33:35 Mike: It's not typical, no.


33:37 Aaron: It's... Right, it's not quite typical. In Florida, guess what, it's not typical either. And the lady was just... Well, this is 10 years ago; they might be typical now. But the lady at the speaker was like, "A what?"




33:52 Nora: That's funny.


33:55 Aaron: She's like, "I don't understand." And I was like, "I want a gravy biscuit." And she was like, "We don't... I don't know what that is." [chuckle]


34:06 Nora: How about grits? Do you all have grits in North Carolina?


34:10 Aaron: Yes, now I think... Mike, correct me if I'm wrong, you all have like oats or something like that?


34:16 Nora: Where?


34:18 Mike: Oh, We don't have... We don't have grits up North, that's another thing that's foreign to us. And then you were telling me something about, you liked oatmeal or something, and then I mentioned that I grew up with cream of wheat, which is kind of something I guess was more...


34:35 Nora: That's not the same.


34:37 Mike: Yeah, that was something that was, I guess, more popular up North. Instead of oat meal we kind of had cream of wheat more often and stuff. So just different... That's just like, for instance, chicken biscuits. I know that's a very popular thing down here. Every McDonald's down here has chicken biscuits, but for the longest time up North, if you drove up to Massachusetts and in New York and asked McDonald's for a chicken biscuit, they're like, "What the heck you talking about, we don't serve chicken biscuits here. We have chicken patties if you want, like a chicken sandwich or something, but we don't have chicken biscuits." They didn't serve biscuits up North, they have bagels and you know, things like that.


35:22 Aaron: So back to my...


35:23 Nora: And we have chicken fried chicken.


35:25 Aaron: Chicken fried chicken, I've never understood that statement and as long as I live how does a chicken fry chicken, I just don't get it, but...


35:33 Nora: Chicken fried chicken.


35:36 Aaron: I've worked in a chicken restaurant.


35:37 Nora: Oh, that's right. [chuckle]


35:38 Mike: So what is that, like a double fried chicken or something?


35:39 Aaron: It don't make any sense. Like I don't understand chicken fried chicken. You fry it in chicken, like so... I can't... [chuckle]


35:48 Nora: No, but as opposed to like grilled, it's chicken fried chicken because it's like chicken fried steak, but it is chicken fried chicken.


35:58 Aaron: What's chicken fried steak?


36:00 Nora: You've never had chicken fried steak? So good.


36:06 Mike: That sounds...


36:07 Aaron: What is chicken fried? What is the process of chicken frying something?


36:11 Nora: It's like frying chicken, but you're frying steak. So it's got this wonderful buttermilk crust. And you have that with your choice of white or brown gravy. It's yummy. Mashed potatoes, green beans.


36:28 Aaron: I think we call that Salisbury steak.


36:30 Nora: Like the TV dinner? [chuckle]


36:33 Aaron: I guess.


36:38 Mike: So wait, it doesn't have any chicken in it?


36:41 Nora: No. The chicken fried chicken does, but not a chicken fried steak. That's beef.


36:46 Aaron: I just... So the process...


36:47 Mike: So, why then would you put... Why would they put the name chicken in chicken fried steak if there's no actual chicken in chicken fried steak?


36:54 Aaron: Why don't they just call it "fried steak"...


36:55 Nora: 'Cause you fry it like that.


36:56 Aaron: And "fried chicken."


36:58 Nora: I don't know. 'Cause we understand what it is in Texas?


37:01 Aaron: So is there a difference between fried chicken and chicken fried chicken?


37:06 Nora: Yes.


37:07 Aaron: Okay, now I'm lost.




37:12 Nora: Chicken fried chicken is like... Like a cutlet. Like it's just the chicken but it's not like a chicken part, it's like the... Like probably what you all serve on your chicken sandwiches. You could call and see if you could start a whole thing and say, "We are now serving chicken fried chicken sandwiches."


37:36 Aaron: And people would think that we were insane.




37:42 Nora: You'd have Texans going, "Yes! Finally." I'm just kidding, that's funny.


37:46 Aaron: That's very possible.


37:47 Mike: And they think that you're insane serving livermush.


37:50 Nora: Oh, my gosh!


37:51 Aaron: Fact about the livermush... I wasn't done with the livermush.


37:56 Nora: Okay, we're starting.


37:57 Mike: Oh, boy!


37:57 Aaron: So, I went to Florida. I went to McDonalds, I asked for the biscuit and gravy. They didn't have it, so I was like, "You know what, I'm just gonna go to the store and buy my own stuff and make my own breakfast." And so I get there and I couldn't find the gravy, which I know they had it, but I just couldn't find it. So I was like, "I'm gonna get some livermush and eggs, I'll make some livermush and egg sandwiches." I go to the area and they don't have livermush. But they had this other thing called liver pudding and I was like, "Oh, that must be the same, but they call it something different."


38:26 Nora: Oh, my God!


38:29 Aaron: Liver pudding is not the same thing as liver mush, so don't make that mistake.


38:33 Mike: The hell is liver pudding?


38:34 Aaron: I don't know. [chuckle]


38:35 Nora: That's just wrong. That's just wrong.




38:39 Mike: That don't sound appetizing either.




38:43 Nora: Mm-mmm. No.


38:44 Aaron: It's not good. It's not.


38:46 Nora: It's just yucky. Eww!


38:49 Aaron: So, Mike, are you a sweet tea drinker?


38:52 Mike: No, I don't drink sweet tea. You like sweet tea?


38:56 Aaron: I've always wondered what was wrong with you. I think we just figured it out. [chuckle]


39:03 Nora: It's a staple.


39:05 Mike: Y'll don't drink coffee milk.


39:07 Aaron: Well, we probably would, if we knew what it was.




39:09 Nora: That's true.


39:12 Mike: I just told you what it was. Coffee flavored milk.


39:15 Aaron: But if we could buy it...


39:16 Mike: Well, I'll have to import some coffee syrup next time I'm up there.


39:21 Aaron: I make coffee in the morning and I put a good bit of creamer in my coffee, so I guess that's considered coffee milk.


39:29 Nora: Oh, there you go. That's what I would think, too. Mmm-hmm.


39:32 Mike: So, Nora, I happen to notice that... I was reading an article the other day online, indicated that Texas is in the process of potentially moving to a digital form of licenses. You know anything about that? Have you heard anything in the news over there about that? Or...


39:52 Nora: I've heard whispers, and supposedly it's going to be better since everything's going digital. I mean, why not just take a picture of your license on your phone anyway, right, and carry that but it's... It's supposed to be much easier for law enforcement. Obviously, we won't need these cards to carry around. It's almost like Apple Pay, but with your driver's license. So yes, I'm a little hesitant because I have a speeding ticket that I'll probably have to take care of first, which is a pain in the you-know-what, but yes, yes. I don't know any more than what I've shared, though. It's kind of weird.


40:37 Mike: Now, what are your thoughts on moving to digital cards in general? Because I know we've been moving in that direction with a lot of different things. You got boarding passes for airlines that are now on your phone, you've got concert tickets that go on your phone, you've got rewards cards that go on your phone now. So a lot of these cards and tickets are all in the digital format now. But I don't know, I have this issue where I always feel like there's a point of failure there. I always... I'm the type of person where, if I wanna go to a concert and I pay $120 per ticket or something to get front row seats to some concert I really wanna go to, and there's no refunds on these things, I wanna make darn sure that ticket works when I go bring it to... I mean, if my phone stops working or the screen goes out or something, I'm stuck. I'm sure they might have some way of looking it up in their system, but, you know, I think that... I have issues trusting it. Have you ever had any issues trying to get tickets or something like that to scan and they won't scan and things like that?


41:52 Aaron: So, I mentioned last week that I went into the Charlotte Christmas Show or the Southern Christmas Show in Charlotte, it's one and the same, and we actually had our tickets on our phone. And we walked into the place and they had... That particular venue that we were at had cell phone dampeners, cell phone signal dampeners on their building, because they didn't want people on their phones while they were at the show because people wouldn't pay attention to to all the booths and stuff like that. So we had zero signal inside the building and we didn't have the tickets pulled up ahead of time, and we were inside the building and trying to pull up these tickets and we could not get them to pull up. Everything that we tried to do. We had no... We had no signal, no internet signal. And we had to go show our ID and give proof, give the last four of the credit card that we used to buy the tickets and all kinds of stuff before we were able to get in there.


42:51 Nora: Hmm. I think there's pluses and minuses. I like the convenience in certain things like if they didn't have those dampeners on that building, it would have been pretty easy. What fascinates me is my parents are 85 and 84, my mom is 85, my dad's 84. And when I show them what technology is now, like I'm gonna send money through Venmo, and they're like, "What?" [chuckle] It freaks them out. And I think sometimes we forget that for those of us that are not that old, we started getting introduced to things and gradually it is what it is. But for these people, I mean, they're 15 years shy of the century, for crying out loud. It's crazy for them. And are we excluding these older folks? Even with the cars nowadays, think of the smart screens and the touch screens, do they even know how to do any of that? You have to have classes for them. [chuckle]


43:51 Aaron: Yeah, I agree. I was gonna say, even with different promotions and stuff now. You know, at my job we have a promotion, it's buy one, get one free sandwich, if you order online through your mobile app. And I had a guy called me up, I had a guy call me up, he was raising hell about it, he was just saying like, "Look," he's like, "I'm 75 years old," he goes, "I haven't had a smartphone my entire life," he goes, "I don't have a computer, I don't have a phone." He goes, "I have a little flip phone where I can call," he goes, "I don't have any of that stuff. So how do you expect me to get that deal?" And...


44:33 Nora: It's true.


44:34 Aaron: So. I mean, there is a disadvantage of it too.


44:37 Mike: And then think about some of the people that you moved to an all digital format. There's some people who... I don't know, I might be looking at this the wrong way, because photographs and everything's stored online now, who actually keeps physical copies of photographs and scrapbooks and stuff anymore either? But there's a good friend of mine who likes to have the physical ticket just for the fact of saving it. Because it's some kind of memento saying, "Hey, I went to this concert, I saw this band or whatever, and I've got the tickets." And he'll put them in a book or something as a memory of something that he's gone to. I guess you can do that with a digital version of it. But I don't know, it kind of loses its meaning when it's on a screen versus something physical, tangible that you can hold in your hand, you know?


45:32 Nora: Mm-hmm. Well, they're not even teaching cursive in school anymore.


45:36 Aaron: In some states.


45:37 Nora: If we're gonna go that route. [chuckle] Yeah, I mean and so many things.


45:42 Mike: You're right, you're right.


45:43 Nora: Yeah, so I think that... I think it's important, something that... I have a organization for women here in San Antonio. And one of the things that I teach is what I call soft skills. And that's the relationship building, the connectivity. And it can't be done digitally, always. I think that's a touch, but you need that person to person, "Let me see you, let me look you in the eye," kind of thing still. Otherwise, we'll just become robots.


46:12 Mike: But you know, throughout this episode, we've kind of been touching upon the evolution of technology without even realizing it. We've been kind of talking about how times have changed. We've been evolving from moving from a... Moving into a fast-paced lifestyle. And just the way that our methods are with technology and things like that. And I was watching this video, it's like a YouTube video, the other day. And this just was mind-boggling. I was just about to go to sleep, and I thought, "Let me watch this video." And it just, it was crazy. It was talking about the digital world and how we're moving in the direction of having virtual environments. Just think about having pods that we could live in within the world. So like worlds within the world. So you could actually go say, "I wanna live in this type of environment," and you go there. Kind of like a...


47:19 Nora: Oh.


47:19 Mike: You know how the Hunger Games was?


47:21 Nora: Mm-hmm.


47:22 Mike: Where it was a controlled environment. So just picture having several controlled environments around the world that you can decide what type of world you want to live in. And then you go and live in that virtual world.


47:35 Nora: Hmm. That's very bizarre.


47:39 Mike: That's just very crazy to think about. But with virtual reality and augmented reality and everything... We're just heading in that direction.


47:48 Nora: Well, hopefully later, not in our lifetime. [laughter]


47:53 Mike: Well, it's just crazy to think about.


47:56 Nora: I don't want that. But this has been fun, and you're right, we touched upon so many different aspects of that theme. And I think it was important. And so we'll have to update everyone when we're going to do our day without a phone. And maybe you'll join us and leave comments on our Facebook.


48:16 Mike: Well, how are they gonna leave comments on our Facebook when they don't have a phone?


48:19 Nora: 'Cause... They'll have to do it when they can use it. [laughter] Write it down, write it down in a journal.


48:27 Mike: A journal, people aren't gonna know what that is.


48:30 Nora: I know, that's funny.


48:32 Mike: Everybody puts everything on Facebook. But even when you're talking about handwriting though in schools, cursive, I think back about, for instance, a lot of our forefathers, when we started the country, the Constitution of the United States and things like that, were all hand-written in cursive. So to think about any kind of historical documents and things like that, if anybody ever really wanted to see the actual historical document and read word-for-word, you know... You gotta wonder... They wouldn't really be able to, would they?


49:06 Aaron: No, they...


49:08 Nora: No, 'cause not if they don't understand it. You're right.


49:12 Mike: We all have to trust the translation, because nobody's gonna know how to read the original writing.


49:17 Aaron: If you watch the The Pawn Stars or whatever it is, they're like, "I gotta call in the expert on this book," that's 200 years old or whatever. And that guy comes down with a magnifying glass and he was just like, "Yeah. This is legit." But it's not what you think it is, and it's only worth 20 bucks and whatever." They're gonna have to call somebody down that's a writing expert to analyze the words and what they are.


49:42 Aaron: I do appreciate everybody listening, and I really hope that you'll start to get to know us personally, and will pick up on some of our traits that we have individually, and be able to identify those And kind of expect what we're gonna say next and even pick up on some of the things that we say and use them in your day-to-day life. I know some of the things that I say are quite interesting. So, hey, I appreciate it.


50:13 Mike: Why? What do you say, Aaron?


50:14 Aaron: Just some of the things, some of my old quirky jokes and comments and just being...


50:21 Mike: Well, I mean...


50:22 Nora: They agree.


50:22 Aaron: I've known you for a decent period of time, and I just don't know any of these things that you say.


50:27 Nora: Aaron isn't...


50:31 Aaron: And just... And just like Mike being sarcastic and just sometimes just out there. You know, you're gonna pick up on those things and you're gonna be able to identify those. So...


50:44 Mike: Oh, okay. And I guess that's the way Garfield eats the lasagna. [chuckle]




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